Paladins When big bois collide

So having spent some time playing the PTS and of course, with the new VGS system for a whole 30 or so minutes, I am already convinced it is a complete regression of the system. The developers talk about how its supposed to make communication more robust (or at least keep it at such) and allow players to quickly access important information, but if you ask me, it has done the complete opposite.

Alot of the rebound commands generally make, for me personally at least, longer time spent trying to say what I want to say. Partially because I am still stuck learning this piece of garbage of a new system, but also because, for me at least, some of my most used commands have now been shuffled further out of the way, and are no longer nearly as intuitive or as logical as they were overall to access with how the new system has completely rebound most if not all the commands.

To use an example, look at the defend commands. Under the old system, you needed 3 key presses to say what you wanted to say. V, then D, then either 1, 2 or 3, for lanes, or D (to just say "Defend") or E and G for more specific locations. With this abyssmal new system you now need 4 commands. V, V, Q then either 1, 2 or 3 to call out lanes. And now you seemingly can't even call out specific locations like the objective or payload as defense points anymore.

Evil Mojo, please explain to me how is this "improving access" to important information? In a relatively strategic game like Paladins where you have 3 lanes, and (for Siege at least) 2 important locations, objective and payload, to defend and attack, how in the world is it an improvement to remove commands for these specific locations, and make the broader / general commands take longer to access? Either you don't consider these commands important, which is just plain stupid, or the you somehow see it as an improvement to make players take more time to make these callouts.

New flash: It isn't.

There are other lost commands as well which are arguably very important than just don't seem to exist anymore. Requesting help for specific lanes? Thats gone. Is calling for aid in specific parts of the map no longer considered important? Why? If I need help on left flank, why can't I communicate that to my team? Now they're stuck trying to locate me without a general idea which could speed up the process, and by the time they know where I am, I may already be dead.

What about need healing? Merging this into the same command as help, but making it contexual is not an improvement? It just isn't. There is a difference between calling for aid and calling for healing, yet this merge of commands seems to almost make it seem like you see them as one and the same. They're not. Maybe this was done to lesser VHS spam which is complained about alot, but if thats the case, you could have easily done that in any other way. Mixing two commands together that aren't the same at all is not a solution to this problem.

Evil Mojo, I get that you want to try and make the VGS easier for new players to use and try and lessen the admittedly somewhat steep curve that was present with the system. I do remember learning it myself when I first started playing and it taking some time because I will concede there are alot of commands. But now well over a year and a half since I started playing, that I have a solid grasp on the system, using it and its many commands is second nature to me. And now I can rapidly call out multiple commands to my team in half the time it takes me to make a single call now. Its burned right into my muscle memory to a point where I can come back from long breaks from the game and still use this system like I never left.

Completely overhauling the system without so much as a word in advance for veteran players was an incredibly stupid move. Maybe you made it easier for new players, but you also have made it much harder for alot of older players who already learned this system off by heart.

Improvements (or at least attempts at such) to make the game easier for new players should not come at the expense of veteran players and their experience playing the game. This new VGS system should have either never happened, or at the very least, should not have been added without an option to also allow older players to switch back to the previous system so they're not forced into learning a newer (and subjectively) inferior system.

And if you are insistent with still forcing this new system in, please for the love of everything holy, add an option for older players to return to using the classic system. Best of both worlds. You clearly have the ability and tech needed to let players swap around what system they use intergrated on some level in the game, as players can go between the different radial dials and the standard text box more closer to original system appearance wise. And you obviously should still have all the old code and whatnot necessary that made VGS 1.0 function as it did, so I don't expect it should be an undertaking nearly as grand as this terrible system overhaul to give us the choice between the new system and the old system.

Also, in future, please stop shocking the playerbase with major overhauls to systems players are well acquitented with, particularly when nobody is asking for these overhauls. Alot of people didn't like the new UI due to how it made navigating certain menus clunkier and take longer, as well as for varous other issues, like being overdesigned or just removing fairly mainstay features like splashart previews and the lile. To your credit, this was somewhat fixed in an update. but it was still an annoyance to deal with because everyone was familiar with the old system. And this wasn't even something that impacted gameplay, particular strategic gameplay. This was just a change that affected the in-between for matches so to speak.

The new VGS is something that actively impacts gameplay, and particular competitive since its used to make callouts and try do some at least basic strategizing. This is seriously hindered and probably will be for awhile now because the new VGS is dreadful and the complete opposite of any kind of improvement. Valuable strategic lines have either been removed outright, or shuffled further out of the way into places they shouldn't be, under the guise of making the system better.

Also, this is just something I want to note, but with the loss of access to certain voice lines under this new system, several skins have just lost personality provided to them by their voicelines. There are plenty of examples of this. Street Style Maeve has a ton of unique and funny lines gone now. She's not the only one though. Safecracker Khan, Steel Forged Imani, and plenty more aside. This is another problem with the new system, it just culls lines that showcase personality for the skins, which is a horrible waste.

This new VGS could not have failed harder at being improvement. Revert it completely.

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Are you doing yours?

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 07:57 AM PST

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“Step into the light”

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 04:14 PM PST

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hirez rn

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 10:37 AM PST

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Wait, that's illegal

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 07:57 AM PST

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A compilation of every post against the new VGS system + final thoughts

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 04:28 PM PST

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6hvw7/em_youre_doing_it_again/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6hnho/help_help_help_intensifies/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6havj/add_vgs_classic_setting/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6h8zl/dont_remove_vgs_lines_please_read/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6fgpu/there_were_a_multitude_of_things_in_the_patch/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6ezy8/rip_vgt_thanks_for_helping_me_keep_my_sanity/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6aw07/removing_the_ability_to_call_out_enemy_positions/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e66kqa/are_these_the_only_lines_we_are_keeping_for_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6jvxt/if_it_aint_broke_dont_fix_it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6jyee/we_will_miss_it_but_i_want_to_try_the_new_one/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6j7vx/if_em_doesnt_make_the_classic_vgs_option_you_lose/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6pmgj/wheres_enemies_position/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6orcy/nerfing_the_vgs_is_a_bad_mistake/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6nsu2/petition_to_not_change_the_current_vgs_system/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6uq5r/theres_a_very_simple_solution_to_the_vgs_changes/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6z7ln/imagine_removing_one_of_few_good_things_about_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e6zooj/the_vgs_rework_is_so_stupid_unnecessary_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7027l/i_was_really_excited_to_try_the_free_voice_packs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e71h6d/please_allow_us_to_toggle_the_newold_vgs_systems/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e77oxd/neglecting_older_players_for_the_benefit_of_new/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e787ko/the_new_vgs_system/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7943o/vgs_voice_lines_that_are_being_kept_in_the_new/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7aeb9/vgs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7cn46/this_vgs_lines_need_to_come_back/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7cz2q/hiiireeez/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7dbi2/pts_and_its_changes/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7dqw2/poll_please_contribute_to_this_poll_about_the_vgs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7e305/even_though_the_new_vgs_system_menu_covers_one/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7gnoc/vvx_vvp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7gdj9/post_complaining_about_the_new_vgs_system_563/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7fulj/the_state_of_the_community_rn/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7hs4w/vgs_system_how_to_make_happy_the_community/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7i0tc/seasong_3_pts_thoughs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7ik19/was_there_actually_need_of_changing_the_vgs_system/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7j9ql/feedback_about_some_of_the_most_important_issues/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7m8vh/opinions_on_pts/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7m5nj/my_rambling_on_about_the_vgs_change_and_why_it_is/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7ox6r/where_is_vgs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7rrjj/i_plan_on_giving_all_the_vgs_quotes_that_are/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7sh04/vgs_20_why/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7tg4w/any_guesses_for_how_long_it_would_take_until_evil/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7tjgm/classic_vgs_option_that_people_want_can_be_used/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7zl4y/the_new_vgs_system/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7yyg9/i_played_the_pts_today_and_man_the_vgs_feels_even/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7y28r/post_1719_about_the_new_vgs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e7y0il/vhs_vhs_vhs_vhs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e81da7/you_cant_ever_call_out_enemy_positions_with_it/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e82kpp/petition_to_revert_the_vgs_system/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e84hlw/you_heard_our_feedbacks_now_its_your_time/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e86mwc/vgs_mems_2_in_1/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e85z00/low_effort_meme/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e8a0j2/inb4_i_mainly_use_microphone_already/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e8guxl/so_you_wont_change_aim_assist_but_youll_change_vgs/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e8btml/evil_mojo_the_new_vgs_is_a_complete_regression_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e8gn11/please_make_new_vgs_optional/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/e8b1ky/official_response_from_hirez_xienen_on_the_vgs/

Also, the results of a poll that someone ran here asking if people supported the new system or not.

From what Xienen's very popular comment tells us, we're not going back to the old system and the best we can hope for is they include some of the removed lines.

Reminder that this change was implemented because new players thought the VGS was too "daunting", you know, those players that try the game, call it an OW ripoff and then move onto the next thing, not the players that genuinely love the game and have 2000hs in it and have embraced the current system with no issue.

If you want to appeal to new players, make a new tutorial, teach them how to play. Don't rework a system that the playerbase is used to and that a huge portion of loves, just because you don't want new players to leave so quickly but you also don't want to commit too hard on them.

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cyberpink ying (fanskin)

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 03:34 PM PST

https://preview.redd.it/9jhk5mfr0p341.jpg?width=3150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e4a65fede486ad2934bb7a4c248799a23780c82

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Underrated change of Season 3, Imani now fires from the center of the screen, making her much better to play.

Posted: 08 Dec 2019 11:31 PM PST

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Broken Maeve next patch

Posted: 09 Dec 2019 05:12 PM PST

Meave is gonna be broken next patch with her predation card(which reduces the cd of her prowl by 1sec for each dagger hit). Who even came up with that idea? She is already good as she is right now, no need to buff her even more.

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